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Re: Mayday Magaliesburg GFA

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John.com wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:23 am
heisan wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:54 pm
MLyons wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 6:17 pm

Was thinking the same.
Either that or some new type of tanks/fuel bladders that can withstand a severe disassembly of an airframe and wings without spilling a drop.... :roll:
While air in the fuel tanks is a common cause of engine stoppage, you may be reading too much into the lack of fire.

Fire requires 3 elements - fuel, oxygen and ignition. With a dead stop accident like this, there is no ongoing movement to generate additional ignition sources. So by the time the fuel and air mix there is nothing left to ignite it. So it is not uncommon to see such accidents where a significant volume of fuel is spilled, but there is no fire.
I was on site after the aircraft had been removed, and can confirm ZERO fuel spill.
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Does that mean there was no fuel to spill or the tanks weren't breached .?
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Volo wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:54 am
John.com wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:23 am
heisan wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:54 pm

While air in the fuel tanks is a common cause of engine stoppage, you may be reading too much into the lack of fire.

Fire requires 3 elements - fuel, oxygen and ignition. With a dead stop accident like this, there is no ongoing movement to generate additional ignition sources. So by the time the fuel and air mix there is nothing left to ignite it. So it is not uncommon to see such accidents where a significant volume of fuel is spilled, but there is no fire.
I was on site after the aircraft had been removed, and can confirm ZERO fuel spill.
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Does that mean there was no fuel to spill or the tanks weren't breached .?
I don't know. When I was there, the aircraft had been removed.
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Why has it become a problem to name some pilots and instructors involved in aircraft accidents in South Africa.
It sounds very suspicious when names are withheld.
In the past when an aircraft belonging to a flying school were involved in a accident, the school would release a statement explaining who where and when the accident took place.
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Dutch1 wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 12:42 pm Why has it become a problem to name some pilots and instructors involved in a aircraft accidents.
It sounds very suspicious when names are withheld.
In the past when an aircraft belonging to a flying school were involved in a accident, the school would release a statement explaining who where and when the accident took place.
I can't agree with you that the names are being withheld.
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southside wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:25 pm
ace505 wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 am
ACE MAN wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:41 am FTP this week and FTB last week - we are running out of PA28s
I learned to fly in FTB in the 90’s that’s a 140 if I recall, what a shame, was it written off ?
Not at all, looking at the pictures of the crashed aeroplane which I assume you did, that will buff right out #-o
Was asking whether FTB was written off , I can see FTP is totally stuffed.
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Re: Mayday Magaliesburg GFA

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Volo wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:54 am
John.com wrote: Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:23 am
heisan wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:54 pm

While air in the fuel tanks is a common cause of engine stoppage, you may be reading too much into the lack of fire.

Fire requires 3 elements - fuel, oxygen and ignition. With a dead stop accident like this, there is no ongoing movement to generate additional ignition sources. So by the time the fuel and air mix there is nothing left to ignite it. So it is not uncommon to see such accidents where a significant volume of fuel is spilled, but there is no fire.
I was on site after the aircraft had been removed, and can confirm ZERO fuel spill.
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Does that mean there was no fuel to spill or the tanks weren't breached .?
Looking at the photo taken on the RHS, a complete fuel tank can be seen on the far right.
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