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Thousands of reports of ‘drones ‘loitering over sensitive military and civil and facilities of late -

No one seems to know whose they are -where they come from, what they are doing, where they are going :?

Seems unbelievable that there is no explanation….

A bit concerning -when some footage shows drones trailing a smoke/vapour stream, one wonders WTF ?? :?

How can the mighty US, with all its technology and resources, not seem to be able to even identify these things, never mind repel/down them?







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""They have no idea where it comes from, but they know what it's not about? That's nonsense." 8)


Someone shoot one down already! :roll:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62785697v0o

What we know about the mysterious drones buzzing over New Jersey
Mystery continues to swirl after nearly a month of drone sightings over New Jersey, sparking fear among residents and furious debate about what the flying objects are - and if they are drones at all.

US authorities have been unable to provide definitive answers, saying only that the objects are not believed to pose a danger to the public or national security.

On Thursday, White House national security spokesman John Kirby told reporters that available images suggested that many of the reported drone sightings were actually manned aircraft.

But some lawmakers have criticised the government's handling of the drones and the lack of information available to the public.

Here's what we know.
Where have drones been spotted?

Dozens of drone sightings have been reported over New Jersey since 18 November, according to local authorities.

The drones were initially spotted near the Raritan river, a waterway which feeds into the Round Valley Reservoir - the largest in New Jersey, the Associated Press reported.

The sightings soon spread to other parts of the state, including New Jersey's coast.

Some of the flights were spotted near Picatinny Arsenal - a sensitive military research facility - as well as near President-elect Donald Trump's golf course in the town of Bedminster, New Jersey.

In nearby New York City, several drones were reported flying over the Bronx on 12 December, a police official told CBS News, the BBC's US partner.

Officers who responded to the incident saw the drones flying overhead, but they disappeared soon afterwards.

Drones have also been reported in other parts of the state, according to New York State Police.

Police in Connecticut have also confirmed that "suspicious drone activity" has taken place in various parts of the state. A drone detection system has been deployed around the towns of Groton and New London.

FBI investigates possible drones seen over Trump golf course

In Maryland, former Republican Governor Larry Hogan claimed he saw what appeared to be "dozens" of drones over his residence in Davidsonville, about 25 miles (40km) from Washington DC.

"Like many who have observed these drones, I do not know if this increasing activity over our skies is a threat to public safety or national security," he wrote on X. "But the public is growing increasingly concerned and frustrated with the complete lack of transparency and the dismissive attitude of the federal government."

In late November, the United States Air Force also confirmed that unidentified drones were spotted over three US airbases in the UK: RAF Lakenheath and RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk and RAF Feltwell in Norfolk.

UK defence sources told the BBC that suspicion had fallen on a "state actor" being responsible for the incursions.

In October, the Wall Street Journal also reported that mysterious drones were seen for 17 days near US military facilities in Virginia.
What have investigators said about the drones?

In a call with reporters, officials from several US agencies attempted to assure people that the drones were not the work of a foreign actor or a national security threat.

"I think there has been a slight overreaction" an official from the FBI said.

While downplaying public concern, the authorities were keen to reiterate that investigations into the drone sightings were still underway.

"We certainly understand why people are concerned. That's one of the reasons we're devoting significant resources," the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) said.

"At the same time, it's important to understand that we don't have any current evidence that there's a threat to public safety" the DHS added.
What are these flying objects?
Getty Images White House national security spokesman John Kirby at the White House on 12 December. Getty Images
White House national security spokesman John Kirby has suggested that many of the 'drone' sightings are manned aircraft.

Both federal and state authorities have said that they do not believe the drones are dangerous or pose a threat to US national security.

Following a briefing with the Department of Homeland Security on 11 December, New Jersey assemblywoman Dawn Fantasia said the drones appear to avoid detection by traditional methods such as helicopter and radio.

Fantasia said the drones are up to 6ft (1.8m) in diameter, travel with lights turned off and "operate in a co-ordinated manner".

Her comments stand in stark contrast to the White House, which has suggested that these are "manned aircraft".

The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security also said that the majority of sightings appear to be lawful, manned flights.

None have been reported in restricted airspace, the statement added.

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) released a statement on Friday saying more and more people are using drones, meaning more people are noticing them in the sky.

It added that while drones can be flown in most locations below 400ft (121m), drones can't be flown within controlled airspace around an airport without FAA authorisation; over designated, national security-sensitive facilities; in certain military bases, infrastructure and national landmarks; and in airspace covered by temporary flight restrictions.
Where are they coming from?

If the objects are confirmed to be drones - which at this point is unconfirmed - it is unclear who might be operating them.

Citing anonymous "high sources", New Jersey Republican representative Jeff Van Drew said that they were coming from an Iranian "mothership" in the Atlantic.

The Pentagon swiftly dismissed the comment, saying "there is no truth to that".

"There is no Iranian ship off the coast of the United States, and there's no so-called mothership launching drones towards the United States," deputy spokesperson Sabrina Singh told reporters.

Another lawmaker, Illinois Democrat Raja Krishnamoorthi - who is on a congressional committee that looks at China's Communist Party - told media outlet NewsNation that there is a "non-trivial" chance that China could be involved.

"It's definitely a possibility and the likelihood that they can then access data that is collected by these drones is very high," he said.

The Pentagon and White House have both insisted that there is no foreign origin for the objects.

Van Drew and other lawmakers have pushed back on those denials.

"Here's the deal: they don't know what it is. They don't know what it's about," Van Drew told Fox News. "They have no idea where it comes from, but they know what it's not about? That's nonsense."

In a separate incident across the country, a northern California man was charged on 11 December with flying a drone over and taking pictures of Vandenberg Space Force Base, located near Santa Barbara.

The incident is alleged to have taken place on 30 November, according to prosecutors.

The man, 39-year-old Chinese national Yinpiao Zhou was arrested just before he boarded a flight to China. He appeared in court on Tuesday and no plea was was taken.

There has been no suggestion that the incident is related to the spate of reported drone sightings on the east coast.
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The Pentagon says there is no foreign origin for the objects
Can the drones be stopped?

Several lawmakers have suggested that the drones should be shot down and analysed to determine their origin and intentions.

Among them is President-elect Donald Trump, who took to his Truth Social media platform to suggest that drones couldn't be flying without the government's knowledge.

"Let the public know, and now," he wrote. "Otherwise, shoot them down".

The US Federal Aviation Administration has also established temporary flight restrictions prohibiting drone flights over Bedminster and Picatinny.

In a statement, the FAA also warned that drone operators who conduct unsafe or dangerous operations could face fines of up to $75,000 (£59,000) and have their drone pilot certificates revoked.

In a letter to US President Joe Biden published on 13 December, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy urged federal agencies to "work together" to solve the mystery, as well as push Congress to extend counter-drone capabilities to local law enforcement.

Some residents have suggested they may take action against the drones themselves - something authorities have strongly warned against doing, as it is illegal.

"A good shotgun will fix that problem," a man commented on a video of a drone on social media.
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I see these links are all from a single news site that I’m not familiar with. Have any other news outlets covered it? I’m not finding anything. :roll:
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Cherokee6 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:59 am I see these links are all from a single news site that I’m not familiar with. Have any other news outlets covered it? I’m not finding anything. :roll:
What browser you on???? :? :roll: Nexus? Netscape? :lol:

Hundreds of reports on this across the media -even Trump has had comment on it...


try Google -it works ( even though it has.... tendencies! :twisted: )

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Patrick AL wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:47 am
What browser you on???? :? :roll: Nexus? Netscape? :lol:

Hundreds of reports on this across the media -even Trump has had comment on it...




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I stand corrected, you’re quite right. Very interesting!
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Very interesting topical interview of Ryan Graves by Joe Rogan

Ryan Graves is a former Lt. U.S. Navy and F/A-18F pilot who was the first active duty pilot to publicly disclose regular sightings of Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. Today, Graves serves as the first Chair of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Integration & Outreach Committee, Executive Director of Americans for Safe Aerospace, and is the founder of StarSense Innovations. http://www.safeaerospace.org

-they discuss the current drones sightings in the first 30 minutes.

( and , if you are open to the multitude of possible explanations to this mystery, then they also deep-dive and discuss UAP/UFO and the broader field. :mrgreen: )

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How can the mighty US, with all its technology and resources, not seem to be able to even identify these things, never mind repel/down them?
FAA announced “temporary flight restrictions,” banning drone flying for unapproved aircraft in 22 New Jersey cities until Jan. 17
FAA has now issued a notice which says authorities can take measures to intercept and detain those in violation of the restrictionsincluding the ability to use “deadly force” on drones identified as threats

Finally - before this FAA notice, US military base commanders had no law supporting them to do this...Can you believe it? :roll: #-o

And yes, how can't they see exactly what is what ?
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https://www.flyingmag.com/modern/faa-is ... ew-jersey/


FAA Issues Temporary Flight Restrictions Across New Jersey
Federal officials decline to say whether the TFRs, implemented for ‘special security reasons,’ are linked to reported sightings of unauthorized drones.
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Updated Dec 19, 2024 1:48 PM EST
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Federal officials declined to say whether the flight restrictions are linked to reports of mysterious drone sightings in recent weeks in New Jersey and neighboring areas. [Courtesy: JeShoots/Pexels]

The FAA has implemented temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) for drones in the airspace over 22 New Jersey cities amid a spate of reported mystery sightings on the U.S. East Coast.

The restrictions come days after the FAA, FBI, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) released a joint statement reiterating that the reported drones pose no threat to public safety. Federal officials believe the sightings are a combination of fixed-wing aircraft, legal drones, helicopters, and even stars misidentified as unauthorized drones.

Within days of receiving initial reports of the drones last month, the FAA created TFRs around Picatinny Arsenal Military Base and President-elect Donald Trump’s golf course in New Jersey “at the request of federal security partners,” the agency said.

The new restrictions, issued Wednesday and Thursday for “special security reasons,” were also created at the behest of federal partners, the FAA told FLYING. They note that the government may use “deadly force” if drones are deemed to pose an “imminent security threat.” A DHS spokesperson told FLYING the TFRs were requested by critical infrastructure partners to discourage drones from flying over their assets.

Neither agency linked the restrictions to the reports of mysterious aircraft.

“We continue to assess there is no public safety threat relating to the reported drone sightings,” DHS said in a statement. “In coordination with the FAA and our critical infrastructure partners who requested temporary flight restrictions over their facilities, out of an abundance of caution, the FAA has issued temporary flight restrictions over some critical infrastructure facilities in New Jersey.”

Though federal officials have repeatedly assured the public that the drones are nothing but a nuisance—and that many of the reported sightings are in fact crewed or other legally flying aircraft—state and local lawmakers have demanded more transparency into the investigation. Some have even called for the military to intervene and shoot down the drones.

New Jersey assemblywoman Dawn Fantasia last week pulled back the curtain on a briefing at New Jersey State Police headquarters that included more than 500 New Jersey mayors. According to Fantasia, DHS officials described to attendees drones that are about 6 feet wide, travel in small clusters, and can fly for up to eight hours.

Federal investigators, however, this week said that out of about 5,000 tips, fewer than 100 have been deemed worthy of further analysis. Officials did acknowledge that there have been a “limited number of visual sightings” of drones in restricted airspace over military bases in New Jersey and elsewhere but said those incidents are common.
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So now they allowed to shoot them down and then it falls on someone's head ? #-o
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of drones in restricted airspace over military bases in New Jersey and elsewhere but said those incidents are common.
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Plenty of ways to "shoot down" drones, including blowing it into a pile of harmless dust.

The drone pilots should know better than posing a security risk to military bases.

USAF shoots down spy baloons over the US also, and the massive contraption below those baloons can also fall on your head - FAA doesn't moan about that do they?

US homeland security seem to be behind the curve here, and slow to actually act.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce3l2v01y4wo


Germany to shoot down drones near military sites
13 hours ago
Paulin Kola
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Germany's cabinet has decided to authorise the army to shoot down suspicious drones seen near military sites or other critical infrastructure.

A statement from Interior Minister Nancy Faeser said that, "especially since [Russian President Vladimir] Putin's war of aggression against Ukraine, we have seen that drones are being used more and more frequently, which poses an increasing challenge for the police and their current technology".

Russia is suspected of launching a "shadow war" against Western countries supporting Ukraine - a charge it denies.

This has included alleged attempts to blow up international airliners, attack infrastructure - or interfere with democratic elections.

"I can only confirm that Russia planned acts of air terror, not just against Poland but against airlines across the globe," Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said on Wednesday.

He did not give any details, but his statement appeared to be confirmation of a New York Times report that US President Joe Biden had warned Putin over the alleged plans.

In November, Polish prosecutors said a series of parcel fires targeting courier companies in Europe were dry runs by groups aiming to sabotaging flights to the US and Canada.

Tusk was hosting Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in Warsaw, a day after Nato announced a new mission to increase the surveillance of ships in the Baltic Sea after critical undersea cables were damaged or severed last year.

Putin launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.
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There have been several instances of unidentified drones flying over military bases recently.

At least 10 such drones had been seen flying above Manching Air Base near the city of Ingolstadt on Sunday evening, German police said.

Last month, there were sightings at Manching and nearby Neuburg an der Donau.

Drones were also spotted at the US air base at Ramstein and at an industrial zone near it in the North Sea.

In her statement, Interior Minister Faeser said "espionage or sabotage are regularly considered as a possible reason".

Under the current rules, the German Army can only help police to force drones to move away or to land - but also to fire warning shots to make this happen.

Under the new proposals - which still need parliamentary approval - soldiers may shoot a drone down if they think that is the only way to deal with the danger it poses "against the lives of people or against a critical facility".

In November, Polish prosecutors said that a series of parcel fires targeting courier companies in Poland, Germany and the UK were dry runs aimed at sabotaging flights to the US and Canada.

Western security officials believe that they were part of an orchestrated campaign by Russia's military intelligence agency, the GRU.

Russia denies being behind acts of sabotage.

But it is suspected to have been behind other attacks on warehouses and railway networks in EU member states this year, including in Sweden and in the Czech Republic.
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Regarding shooting down drones, I suppose politicians are reluctant in passing laws allowing this. Possible innocent third parties on the ground getting injured and lawsuits following, costing lots of money and all that...
Taking over a drone electronically of jamming the signal so that the drone pilot loses control also has it's legal implications.
Once an authoroty takes over the control of the drone, it's their responsibillity, and any injury/death would result in costly lawsuits regardless of who started, and flew the drone initially. Once he/she has lost controll, it's out of thi pilots' hands. Yes, the pilot will face the full brunt of the law, but, the pilot cannot be held accountable for any injuries after the authoroties have taken over controll of the drone.
I use drones a lot for surveying. The amount of hoops I have to jump though and insurances I have to pay to fly legally is astounding.
My drones have geo-fencing that is placed in there by the manufactorer, that stops my drones getting in to controlled airspace, near prisons and military installations. To open up a forbidden area, I need to send a mail to the manufactorer, with a letter and contact details of the respective authoroty in wich area I am planning to fly in. And then I only get the unlocking for 48 hours.
These drones that have been sighted must have been hacked in order to enter no-fly zones, so it's no accident...
There are ground based systems to send out jammin signals to act like a "fence" so the drone just stops at the border, but the pilot will still have all the controll of the drone, he just cannot fly the drone closer to the area.
I am wondering why not all airports, prisons and military installations have these devices?
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Onus is now on the DJI user to comply with the law.

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