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If this witness was not Special Forces his is another name for the Special Forces wall of shame wannabee's. :idea: :lol:

What was his rank anyway...I fell asleep when they interviewed him. 8-[
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This documentary proved absolutely nothing and was a total waste of money and time.
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What a load of trash. Why did they not even bother to get the advice from a pilot, any airline pilot? Read through the transcripts and the report, very simple explanation. Pilot error, plain and simple. Even the Russian eventually admitted that it was pilot error.

He was not spesmag, just that bunch of idiots at CCB, BIG DIFFERENCE. Seems to me he is trying to make a name for himself and worse, the journalist is doing the same. He is and will always be a nobody.

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I waited up long past my bed time to watch this documentary, hoping to gleam some new information about this event. What a disapointment absolutely no new proven facts emerged!! Why was this programmed screened? The Pik Botha interview has already been screened some time back. What a sham.

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I watched the afore mentioned farce last night. They tried hard, but those "witnesses" did not seem close to credible to me.

What I would like to ask the guys who know a bit more than me (I know just enough about aviation to hang myself) is the following:

1. If a false beacon was used, that would have had to be set to the frquency of the beacon at Maputo right? So if you have 2 beacons sending the same signal, what would happen to your instruments?

2. If this false beacon was used, would the sudden change of coarse by 37 degrees (thats what they stated on the show last night) not have alerted the pilots to something being very wrong?
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What was /who where the CCB and just how would they get hold of a mobile NDB anyway.... :?:
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Snoopy wrote:What was /who where the CCB... :?:
Civil Co-operation Bureau (CCB)

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PJL wrote:
Snoopy wrote:What was /who where the CCB... :?:
Civil Co-operation Bureau (CCB)

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Snoopy wrote:
PJL wrote:
Snoopy wrote:What was /who where the CCB... :?:
Civil Co-operation Bureau (CCB)

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What did they do...

:lol: :lol: :lol: Snoopy you are giving your young age away and I am highlighting the other end of the scale :D They were the goverments "Hench men". A South African KGB or FBI

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or not.. :twisted: :idea:

So how did they apparently fit into this whole story...sorry I fell asleep remember.
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There is an excellent novel written by my favourite author, John Gordon Davis, with the title Unofficial and Deniable. It tells the story of the CCB (BSB in Afrikaans). In the novel he mentions the building in which they were stationed, the Momentum Mews, in Lynnwood Ridge and he also describes a newspaper journalist character, Jan van der Merwe, whom I happened to know. He wrote a column, The Wayfarer, in the Pretoria News but ended up in jail. In the book the hero and old Jan met in the German Club. The story is largely based on facts but with a few rather bizarre twists which I would find hard to believe. Remember the names Ferdi Barnard and genl Eddie Webb?
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So how did this crowd fit into the military scenario supposedly...or didn't they...just curious :?:

Wiki to the rescue.. I think...
The South African Civil Cooperation Bureau (CCB) was a covert, special forces organisation[1] during the apartheid era that operated under the authority of Defence Minister General Magnus Malan. According to General Malan, the CCB's three objectives — comparable to those of the British Special Operations Executive (SOE)
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Snoopy wrote:So how did this crowd fit into the military scenario supposedly...or didn't they...just curious :?:
They worked indepenent of the military, a bit like the Scorpions but were like a steel fist taking orders issued by the cabinet. Kosie you carry on............... :wink:

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Although the entire truth about the Civil Cooperation Bureau may never be known, South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission(TRC) concluded that:[80]

"...the CCB was a creation of the SADF and an integral part of South Africa’s counter-insurgency system which, in the course of its operations, perpetrated gross violations of human rights, including killings, against both South African and non-South African citizens. The Commission finds that the activities of the CCB constituted a systematic pattern of abuse which entailed deliberate planning on the part of the leadership of the CCB and the SADF. The Commission finds these institutions and their members accountable for the aforesaid gross violations of human rights."

As per the policy of the TRC, its findings were set out, but no action was taken.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Cooperation_Bureau.

They were a part of Mil Int but it all went pear shaped. In the end there was a lot of criminal activity, drug dealing and diamonds. Bunch of renegades. Fredie Barnard is currently in jail for the murder of Webster (dont ask me who Webster was, look it up).

Where they would find a beacon, know how to tune it, at the right time, at the right place, heaven only knows.

There is also a huge confusion around "MA" Mala Mala and "MA" Maputo. PILOT ERROR. Ask the Russians.
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