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Re: Samora Machel Crash Documentary on SABC 3 at 21:30 Tonight

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This is a posting from the Africa Aviation forum that was made two years ago by one of the investigators who went to Russia for the original accident investigation report:
There is no need to do anything other than carefully read through all the evidence – there was a second aircraft (C9-BAA) in the same airspace and which obviously utilised the same navigational aids. The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, he states in his witness statement that he had the Radar, the NDB and the VOR all dead on the nose at 187 NM.

He was put under pressure by the Mozambican and Russian authorities to say that he was “deflected “ and that his flight path indicated the evidence of a rogue VOR; he refused to do this. Needless to say that, as the Radar and the NDB corroborated the VOR, this is a spurious allegation. Nonetheless, the Boeing 737 information was submitted by the Mozambicans to Mr Bernard Caiger, the Canadian FDR expert for independent analysis. Mr Caiger’s report is part of the Margo Commission report; it states categorically that no deviation in the track of C9-BAA could be detected.

Capt Marques reiterates his viewpoint in the book by the Mozambian journalist João M. Cabrita (2005) “The Death of Samora Machel”.

The questions that really need to be asked are:
Why did the crew of C9-CAA have their Radar on standby?
Why did they not use the NDB?
Why did they not use LM Radio which could be picked up almost anywhere in the region?

Because they believed that the electrical power had failed EVEN THOUGH the ATC was talking to them in the radio? Clearly fatigued and complacent they became disoriented and we have another CFIT.

It is the political impact of the accident and the foolish behaviour of Pik Botha that contaminated the integrity of the investigation.
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Re: Samora Machel Crash Documentary on SABC 3 at 21:30 Tonight

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Ag no man Dean, now you're spoiling a good conspiracy with facts [-X [-X [-X

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Sorry Pirate, I should never have let facts get in the way of a good story. :lol:
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Deanw wrote:The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, he states in his witness statement that he had the Radar,
I have the crew as:

Captain Yuri Novodran, co-pilot Igor Kartamichev, navigator Andrei Kudriachov and radio operator Anatoli Choulipov.

Just another inaccuracy that needs checking.
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Darrell Lush wrote:
Deanw wrote:The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, he states in his witness statement that he had the Radar,
I have the crew as:

Captain Yuri Novodran, co-pilot Igor Kartamichev, navigator Andrei Kudriachov and radio operator Anatoli Choulipov.

Just another inaccuracy that needs checking.
:oops: there was a second aircraft (C9-BAA) in the same airspace and which obviously utilised the same navigational aids. The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, :oops:

Apologies Propwash. Porrige on your specks this morning :?: :lol:
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Ugly Duckling wrote:
Darrell Lush wrote:
Deanw wrote:The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, he states in his witness statement that he had the Radar,
I have the crew as:

Captain Yuri Novodran, co-pilot Igor Kartamichev, navigator Andrei Kudriachov and radio operator Anatoli Choulipov.

Just another inaccuracy that needs checking.
:oops: there was a second aircraft (C9-BAA) in the same airspace and which obviously utilised the same navigational aids. The pilot in commend was Capt Marques, :oops:

Apologies Propwash. Porrige on your specks this morning :?: :lol:
Yep must be specks... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Machel-ramp: Vlieëniers glo gemuilband
Nov 26 2008 07:23:57:807PM Beeld - (SA)
Erika Gibson
Die destydse Mosambiekse minister van veiligheid het lugdiens-vlieëniers in sy land kort ná die Samora Machel-vliegramp opdrag gegee om “stil te bly en nie eens hul monde oor die ongeluk oop te maak nie”.
Mnr. Luís Brito Dias, ’n oudvlieënier vir DETA/LAM, Mosambiek se amptelike redery, het onlangs in ’n brief aan die Mosambiekse koerant Zambeze vir die eerste keer van dié dreigement vertel. Hy vlieg nou as kaptein in die Verre Ooste.
Die Engelse vertaling van sy brief verskyn ook in die jongste uitgawe van World Airnews.
Dias het die brief geskryf na aanleiding van ’n onlangse onderhoud met die destydse minister van veiligheid, mnr. Sérgio Vieira.
Dias beskuldig hom prontuit dat hy “skaamteloos lieg” as hy sê die Mosambiekse regering het nie geweet nalatigheid van die vlugbemanning het die Machel-ongeluk veroorsaak nie.
Die bemanning wat vir Machel gevlieg het, was Russiese vlieëniers en ’n navigator wat in dié tyd andersins vir LAM gevlieg het.
“Al die vlieëniers wat destyds vir dié redery gevlieg het, het geweet die ongeluk is aan die nalatigheid van die bemanning toe te skryf. Dít is hoekom Vieira hulle tot stilswye gedreig het.”
Dis ook hoekom die LAM-kaptein nie toegelaat is om in die kommissie van ondersoek na die ongeluk te dien nie. Die enigste vlieënier wat ’n mindere rol in die aparte Mosambieks-Russiese ondersoek gespeel het, was ’n vurige Frelimo-ondersteuner en dus “beheerbaar”, beweer Dias.
Volgens Dias het selfs dié vlieënier vinnig besef die ondersoek is ’n toesmeerdery en hom toe daaraan onttrek.
Dias beweer die Russiese vlieëniers van die ongeluksvliegtuig het bitter min ervaring gehad en ewe min gevlieg. Hul lisensies as “ervare” vlieëniers wat by die ondersoekkommissie ingedien is, was vervals en is eers ná die ongeluk uitgereik.
Volgens Dias het hy en ’n mede-vlieënier later tydens ’n vlug aan Frelimo-verteenwoordigers gaan demonstreer presies wat met Machel se vlug skeefgeloop het.
Hy bevestig die helfte van die bemanning het tydens die vlug gesit en bier drink. Net die mede-vlieënier en die navigator het na die vlug omgesien.
Weens te min ondervinding of per abuis het die navigator die instrumentlandingstelsel op dié van Matsapa in Swaziland ingestel pleks van Maputo se baken. Dít het veroorsaak dat die vliegtuig ’n ander koers ingeslaan het.
Die mees kritieke fout was egter dat die bemanning die waarskuwingsalarm, wat afgaan wanneer ’n vliegtuig laer as 3 000 vt. bokant die grond begin vlieg, geïgnoreer en steeds aangehou daal toe hulle gedink het hulle is naby Maputo se lughawe.
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Re: Samora Machel Crash Documentary on SABC 3 at 21:30 Tonight

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Yaaaawn, only DL is trying his level best to breathe fire into this dead horse. I have no doubt that HE had something suspious happen during his patrol of that night. That it had anything to do with the incident is doubtful (no disrespect DL).

Read the report(s0 many, mnay reports, files, submissions et al, PILOT ERROR, plain and simple, sad and very boring but true.
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As far as I'm concerned this subject is dead and burried. No pun intended
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