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Re: Samora Machel Crash Documentary on SABC 3 at 21:30 Tonight

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kevinbark wrote:Remember that besides the non-aviation people who investigated this accident and came up with their own conclusion to suit their political motives, there were many highly qualified people involved with the investigation who were trained and experienced in this sort of thing. People of substance and integrity, whose only motive was to get to the truth behind the crash. Careful you don't insinuate they are liars.

Giarc, interested in a copy of the report?
To be honest I have not read the report , so please forward onto me. If you read my comments I was more focused on the sarcastic side of things with the comment of Neslon taking care of Graca. I was implying that I wouldnt put it past the apartheid govt. of the day in having a hand in the demise of machel.

You guys get too defensive. The world has such serious problems at the moment that to be honest , nobody cares a crap about machel . lets worry about Iran and their nuclear ambitions and about the economic state of the world.
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I have one question:

Do you really think the Soviet Union would have put their name to the final report and thereby implicate their own citizens if they did not agree with the reports conclusions? Why wouild the old USSR want to lose face in front of their African clients?

(OK, maybe two questions)

I've heard the actual cockpit tapes, seen some of the wreckage and have spoken to a member of the investigation team that went to Russia. Without specific facts to the contary, I believe the conclusion of pilot error.
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Re: Samora Machel Crash Documentary on SABC 3 at 21:30 Tonight

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There was a joke doing the rounds after the prang.
"What's that?" "Some-more-of-Machel"

I was in London in Jan '87 when the Margo report was released. Nobody :shock: :shock: took any notice. We SA booytjies looked up & watched the TV, but the Poms did not gve a damn. Makes you think :!:

The first R50 note I saw was from our mates in the CCB :shock:
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Yeah, sorry giarc64, long day !
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Fat Frank wrote:Yeah, sorry giarc64, long day !
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Snoopy wrote:OK... so the question is just who is behind this slanted TV program and why, the ....timing, politics etc.... to what end. :idea:
Who? The ANC. Why? Because they hate white folk, and will continue to eternity to drum up as much hatred and resentment against whitey as they possibly can. It shifts attention from the inabilities of black folk in general, and the dismal performance of the ANC in particular.
The hatred drummed up against whitey emboldens blacks to attack and murder whites, thus fulfilling the ANC regimes desire to rid SA of whites.
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At some stage the truth is going to hit them in the face like a boomerang... out for a duck...till then they'll live in denial, sadly so. :idea:

No point in discussing it further at all...except for those who need to dream up conspiracies to survive of course.... :wink:
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giac64, I am with KB and FF on this one. I had to explain the mathematically the physical impossibility of placing a navigation beacon at the alleged spot, producing enough power to "lure" the aircraft off its original track at both the 3rd and 4th Inquiries, testimony which thankfully was not included in their reports as I don't think the people performing the inquiry had the brain power to understand let alone the fact that it was in direct contrdiction to their preconceived paradigms as to the true facts. Ladies and Gents it is physically impossible to be able to generate such a power output, even with a focussed beam to achieve what is alleged. But then again why would they let facts get in the way of political goals. :evil:
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The power went off in Maputu right?
SCARAB for military field operations
100 watt Portable Transmitter
Synthesized for 190 kHz to 1250 kHz frequency range
Input power supply 115/230VAC
w/optional secondary input power source of 24 VDC
My maths is pathetic, had to rewrite algebra in sub A....But practically it was possible...IMHO.

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Snoopy wrote:The power went off in Maputu right?
SCARAB for military field operations
100 watt Portable Transmitter
Synthesized for 190 kHz to 1250 kHz frequency range
Input power supply 115/230VAC
w/optional secondary input power source of 24 VDC
So practically it was possible...IMHO.
Sure, anything was possible in those days. But ultimately who benefitted :?: Nelson Mandela. Was that something planned in the backrooms before he was released :?: Not likely. But conspiracy theories will remain. #-o
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Snoopy wrote:The power went off in Maputu right?
SCARAB for military field operations
100 watt Portable Transmitter
Synthesized for 190 kHz to 1250 kHz frequency range
Input power supply 115/230VAC
w/optional secondary input power source of 24 VDC
So practically it was possible...
Not the range where the aircraft deviated from original track allegedly on track to the false beacon. If I remember right it was in excess of 300Nm.

As for the Scarab, it has extremely limited range, low power output, has a spherical radiation pattern, cannot be easily modified to focussed beam operation, and the amount of electrical power you would have to put in the system to get that range would fry the circuitry and also take up all the power output of 2 large power stations and there were no reported balckouts that evening, so no not possible, sorry to burst the bubble. It would also not be possible to to easily use a focussed beam due to the fact that the aircraft would have been beyond detectable range for the South Africans, so how do you know where to point the beam? I think they are giving to much credit to the capabilities of the South Africans and disregarding the obvious blunders that the crew made, like setting Matsaphas VOR freq instead of Maputos (112.3 versus 112.7).
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A mine heap of valid info...still some CHOOSE to believe otherwise, as I said they live in DENIAL.

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It all makes great “Frank” Clancy but If I may then just see if I understand your arguments,
pilots drinking,
choose incorrect VOR instead of correct ILS,
ignore GP alarm and warning siren,
no cross checking in the cockpit,
pilots not having flown for a long time and not current,
flying on a dark night,
pilots not familiar with the route

All of these are know facts found at the crash site and from the ACTUAL cockpit voice recording,

BUT there MAY ALSO have been a false beacon, on the correct frequency (the incorrect frequency they chose in error) on the exact radial of the correct VOR (the incorrect on they chose in error) and therefore we need a Commission of Enquiry.

Yeah, right, I wonder who is living in denial [-X [-X [-X [-X
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Deanw wrote:
I've heard the actual cockpit tapes, seen some of the wreckage and have spoken to a member of the investigation team that went to Russia. Without specific facts to the contary, I believe the conclusion of pilot error.
Next thing you gonna be telling me that the Helderberg was a VFR on Top accident :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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