How much is A/C radio license (ICASA) for 2011?

[Chris]

Why O Why is this not included in CAA, RAASA, ATF renewals

RAASA is going to meet with ICASA to see if they can collect the radio license fee at time of ATF renewal and issue the license of behalf of ICASA. I am not sure if ICASA will be interested but it is worth a try.

[Snoopy]

Icasa sends out individual invoices? Do they? If they did, explain why there is so much confusion about radio station licences when it comes to aviation.

[Dusty Eagle]

I duly paid my 12.00 for the 4 licences and received a call a few weeks later from a lady telling me they only have one aircraft registered.
It's no wonder I have only received, spasmodically, one license renewal notice.
And yes, forms were faxed years ago with proof of payments then for registration [ 480.00 ] as well as licence fee for that year, and of course, all subsequent years.

What happened to those payments, and why no follow through from their side as to what the payments were for, as they did now.
Guess I am entitled to a hefty refund.

I will have to resolve this now as although I keep my proof of payment in the aircraft, due to their generally not issuing licences, as hundreds of us do, the planes in question are not registered with them.

So even though I submitted the forms via fax, paid and sent PofP with a covering fax to a specific person, my aircraft are technically illegal.

This could be the case with a lot of the guys out there who complain that they never receive renewal notices or licences but pay and keep the PofP's in the planes.

This could have serious legal repercussions when one consideres what's happening to Julian Swift.

I guess having RAASA take it over will sort matters out, but will no doubt cost more for their service.

[Chris]

I guess having RAASA take it over will sort matters out, but will no doubt cost more for their service.

That is not the intention. License fees are gazetted and that is what will be charged. All RAASA fees are the amounts in Part 187 which would have been paid to CAA anyway. RAASA is VAT registered where CAA is not so RAASA is paying 14% away to the Gov but is not adding the VAT to the Part 187 fee.

As an aside - Part 187 fee increases which should have been published almost a year ago will only see the light of day at the end of March 2011. We have had almost an additional year of no fee increase due to the slip up in not publishing the amended Part 187. I am sure that the next proposed fee increase will make up for that.

[Mauler]

I guess having RAASA take it over will sort matters out, but will no doubt cost more for their service.

RAASA is going to sort out radio licence fees for certified aircraft too?

[Chris]

RAASA is going to sort out radio licence fees for certified aircraft too?

TCA is not really RAASA's mandate but if one thinks about it any clown with a PC and a basic word processor and accounting package could run this on his own. I cannot believe the costs of processing 10 000 accounts with one entry a year can take one person more than 8 to 10 man weeks of labour.

Let's see how the meeting with ICASA goes

[Peter.L.]

Gentlemen (and Ladies too if there are any non-identifiable by their nom-de-plumes)

I work for ICASA the subject of your frustrations. I feel the same frustration you feel and would probably have the same perception of my organisation given the same circumstances as you all seem to have. However, I am not prepared to make apologies for things which are not directly connected to my own operational sphere, which is of a largely regional nature in Durban, KZN. What I am prepared to do is offer my assistance to sort out the problems you appear to be having and try to explain the objective of the, for example, 3 month period to 31 March (read my posting on Jan 10th in the ICASA section). Chris kindly set up a separate page for ICASA discussions and I would appreciate it if your comments, questions, etc could be directed there. I have limited time to spend scrolling thru the General forum looking for relevant postings and am likely to miss some, which in itself would probably create further frustration and perceptions of "typical government inefficiency" as previously noted by at least one respondent. I may not be able to answer all your queries to your satisfaction. If I don't, I apologise in advance. If I cannot answer your query myself, I will endeavour to obtain the answer from my HQ and if I cannot sort out your problem directly, I will try and advise you whom to contact at HQ who may be in a position to, but, please, if you don't come right, don't come looking for me with your Glock!

Oh and by the way Thermalator, we do send out individual invoices to ALL licencees and have not authorised any third party to do so on our behalf. The fee you pay to your home-alarm company is what they charge you, NOT what we charge them, which is a consolidated figure for all their alarm customers appearing on one document and which is in fact somewhat less than their charge to you!

Ciao for now

Peter

[Laeveld Louis]

Phoned the Jhb office 1. Ompile don't answer her phone as well as 2. Kenneth and their boss 3. Hlohiswe....out
After an pm to HappyJabbi I phoned the Durban office and who is helping me ......Thanks Peter will send you my email asap

[Thermalator]

Oh and by the way Thermalator, we do send out individual invoices to ALL licencees and have not authorised any third party to do so on our behalf. The fee you pay to your home-alarm company is what they charge you, NOT what we charge them, which is a consolidated figure for all their alarm customers appearing on one document and which is in fact somewhat less than their charge to you!

I believe it is illegal to put a markup on a tax

• ADT charges me precisely R48 + an admin fee
• The Paragliding organisation SAHPA charges me precisely R 48 & pays the 600 odd members fees to ICASA
• Most Farmers, truck drivers, tow trucks etc lease their radios from an agent who manages radio's, feqs & repeaters + ICASA in an area

[Peter.L.]

I believe it is illegal to put a markup on a tax

Sorry I'm missing your point here. Who was talking about taxes? because a licence fee is certainly not a tax!

ADT charges me precisely R48 + an admin fee

ADT do not issue you with a licence. They charge you a fee which includes a portion of the licence fee charged them by ICASA for the licence issued to them on which your alarm system operates. The licence fee charged to all alarm companies by ICASA is R18.00 per alarm transmitter. Whatever charge they pass on to the end-user, i.e. yourself, is entirely up to them and is based on commercial business practice related to what the market will stand.

The Paragliding organisation SAHPA charges me precisely R 48 & pays the 600 odd members fees to ICASA

Similarly for SAHPA who do not issue you with a licence (although they may apply for and acquire it on your behalf and act as an agent for payment purposes, etc,)

Most Farmers, truck drivers, tow trucks etc lease their radios from an agent who manages radio's, feqs & repeaters + ICASA in an area

Partially correct. Such agents as you call them are actually Radio Dealers who acquire their own licences and repeater frequencies then rent slots out to third party users, such as farmers, etc, whose rental pays a portion of the overall licence fee payable by the agent or Radio Dealer to ICASA. Actually I think you will find that most farmers have their own licences and pay their own fees for the radios in use, unless they happen to belong to a cooperative who have acquired a "bulk" licence on behalf of all their members. Truck drivers don't usually have their own licences but operate radio equipment owned and licenced by their employers. This is because most long-distance truckers operate on HF, if they use radios, and HF is not supported by repeaters. Of course, local area truckers may use VHF systems but again these are largely owned and licenced by the trucking company. Tow-truck operators I wont comment on!

In terms of the Electronic Communications Act (Act No.36 of 2005) the only entity empowered by law to issue radiocommunication licences is ICASA and any other organisation purporting to issue licences is doing so illegally. Likewise the only entity empowered to charge a licence fee for for radiocommunication services is ICASA. Other organisations may charge a fee for rental of radio equipment, use of the frequency spectrum allocated to them on a licence issued by ICASA, recovery of licence fees, or a portion thereof, charged them by ICASA, etc, but they may not refer to these fees as "licence fees"!

Hope that clarifies things a bit. Ciao for now - Peter

[kobusvisser@mweb]

I am currently on the phone with ICASA

I have now been put through for the thirde time - no one can help - those that can help is on a workshop!!
I paid R48.00 on the 15/12/2010 - after recieving a statement.
Now I recieved another account for R12.00 for three months.??????????????????

Not impressed

Wonder what is the fine for flying without a radio licence?????????????????

[Chris]

Just keep your receipt in the aircraft and last years license

[Chris]

So - last year in early December I paid the R48.
Mid January I get an account for R12 - no sign of the R48 credit.
Still no license in the post yet. I suppose it is another visit to the ICASA offices.

[Peter.L.]

Hi Everyone,

Sorry to seem unresponsive to queries but this is the first opportunity I've had to visit this forum for well over a week. I have probably missed some posts and I would ask that if there is anyone with an unresolved query, please email me at pleonard@icasa.org.za and I will try and follow it up and revert ASAP. Must-have info on any query you forward is either your A/C licence number or the A/C registration letters. Don't just give me your surname, especially if it is van der Merwe!

Should anyone still not have received an invoice for the 3 months until 31st March, please drop me a mail and I'll check your address details, etc.

Chris, I know you have an outstanding query which I did promise to respond to and I will, but things have been hectic since the licence invoices went out (well, most of them anyway!).

Ciao for now - Peter

[Chris]