Hi Peter
Thanks for the response on the Julian Swift topic. There are a number of questions I would like to ask
1) I have a hand held transceiver and a operators license via my pilots license. The hand held is not on the radio station license of my aircraft. What form do I have to complete and do I have to pay to have it added?
2) I have a hand held transceiver and a operators license via my pilots license. I do not own an aircraft but hire and fly. Do I have to get a station license and what from do I have to complete. If the form is the same one as you apply for an aircraft station license then please explain how to complete the form as it caters only for aircraft or a fixed ground station. (I tried to fill in this form for a hand held and got so confused I gave up)
3) I have a receiver that can pick up the aeronautical frequencies. Do I have to have a operators license. If so, how do I get one as I am not a pilot.
4) I have a receiver that can pick up the aeronautical frequencies. Do I need a station license. If so, how do I apply for one.
Thanks for your efforts. All the people I have discussed this issue with would like to be legal but have no idea what is required. The Julian Swift case did not really result in any clarity.
Regards
Chris
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Hi Chris,
Quite a few scenarios you have indicated above which will take a little while to respond to. I'll post a response in the next day or so and try and indicate all possibilities for each item and, yes, I agree that the Swift case made muddy waters even murkier!!
Regards to all,
Peter
Quite a few scenarios you have indicated above which will take a little while to respond to. I'll post a response in the next day or so and try and indicate all possibilities for each item and, yes, I agree that the Swift case made muddy waters even murkier!!
Regards to all,
Peter
Re: Questions for Peter
Good Day to all,
OK Chris here are my responses to your questions from last Tuesday but, before I get to them, there are a number of forms concerned which vary depending on what type of application you are submitting so I’ll identify the main ones before addressing your queries and thereafter refer to them by their short titles:
i) The Radiocommunication Licence Application form is a 4-page green-coloured document which we commonly refer to as the “Client Form” as it contains information relating only to the applicant such as name, ID number, residential and postal addresses, contact telephone numbers, next of kin details, etc., etc. The client form accompanies various different appendices for radio licences of all types, be they aeronautical, maritime ship station, ski-boat, CB radio, Farmer’s band, etc., etc. This form must be signed personally by the applicant if it is an application in respect of an individual, or by a duly appointed responsible officer if it is a company application, usually the CEO, MD, Director or Manager. The section for this signature is found at the bottom of the 4th page. Short title for this is “Client Form” as mentioned above.
ii) The Aircraft application appendix is entitled “Details of Aeronautical Fixed Station Licence”, which is a bit of a misnomer at first glance because I think a comma or oblique stroke (slash) was omitted between Aeronautical and Fixed, however, it is a 2-page yellow-coloured form which is used for aircraft station licence applications (on the first page), and aeronautical mobile or fixed ground station licence applications (on the second or reverse page). This form also has a section for applicant’s signature at the bottom of the 2nd page. I agree that it is a bit confusing to complete, especially for a mobile or ground station, and this is where assistance could be requested and freely given. Short title for this form is Appendix “C”.
iii) A newly introduced form which is contained in the new radio regulations, published in Government Gazette 34172 on 31st March 2011, is the form to be completed for any modifications or amendments to the details of an existing licence. This form, entitled “Application to Amend a Radio Frequency Spectrum Licence” is reasonably self-explanatory but there are one or two sections where the info required is not immediately obvious. Again assistance may be requested and will be freely given. Short title is Form “A”.
There are several other forms which may occasionally be relevant depending on circumstances, e.g. cancellation of an existing licence for some reason, change of name of the licence holder (usually only iro companies) change of address and so forth, but the above are the most commonly used so I’ll just stick to them for now.
What I usually tell people to whom I send these application forms is that the only thing I cannot complete for them is their signature, so if they are confused by any particular section or are not sure what info is actually required, leave those sections blank and we can always complete them over the telephone once the forms have been received in our office.
To now answer your queries:
1). The hand-held may be added to your existing aircraft station licence using Form “A”. The form is reasonably self-explanatory but obviously assistance can be provided if required. Details of the hand-held are limited to the make, model number and transmit output power only. The cost for the addition of the new radio to your licence is a one-time payment of R100.00. Apart from this, the additional radio has no effect on the annual licence fee which is currently R48.00 regardless of how many items of radio apparatus are installed on the aircraft, however, for every modification to your licence the R100.00 fee is payable so if you intend adding or replacing several items of apparatus it is wise to do them all at the same time under a single payment.
2). If you intend buying a hand-held and do not already have an aircraft station licence to which it may be added, you will need to apply for an Aeronautical Mobile Station licence using the same forms as for a regular application, i.e. the 4-page “Client Form”, which is completed exactly as it would be for any other aircraft station licence application, and the 2-page, yellow, Appendix C which only needs to be completed on the reverse side (at the bottom of which is the area for applicant’s signature, etc.). Normally an aircraft station licence application will be issued with the aircraft’s own DCA registration letters indicated as its radio callsign, however, for an aeronautical mobile station there are obviously no registration letters so you would use the registration letters of the aircraft you hire as the radio callsign. (It is assumed here that the aircraft in question would already have a radio licence issued in respect of the owner.) When submitting such an application it is necessary to attach a letter motivating the request for an aeronautical mobile station and indicating the reasons for requiring same. For example, pilots frequently involved in delivering different aircraft to their new owners, etc, are commonly issued with this type of licence as they normally prefer to use their own radios, to which they have become accustomed, and which they trust to work when required. The fees for this type of licence are the same as normal, i.e. R480.00 application fee and R48.00 per annum licence fee.
Note that the above scenarios are for communication between aircraft in flight or between aircraft and ground control stations whilst in flight or on landing or take-off, etc. The licences as issued do not permit you to operate the radio equipment whilst on the ground out of your aircraft, unless an emergency should arise, in which case one’s own discretion should be used according to circumstances. To operate legally from the ground using, for example, a hand-held radio as a ground control station at a microlight or model aircraft airfield, it would be necessary to obtain an aeronautical fixed station licence and the procedure and cost is similar to 2). above.
The foregoing, whilst covering the great majority of aeronautical licence applications, is not by any means totally comprehensive in respect of all occasions in which an aeronautical licence may or may not be approved and issued. For any applications which could be considered to be extra-ordinary the advice of ICASA’s Regional or Head offices should be obtained prior to submitting application forms. Note that application fees are NOT refundable should the application be refused for any reason.
Chris, with regard to your last two items, 3) and 4), I am going to defer a full response for the present, the reason being that these two items are variations on the same theme, which is possession and use of a receiver capable of monitoring the aeronautical bands. Currently both scenarios are problematic because of the type of receiver (scanning receiver) which would probably be used, which is extremely difficult to obtain approval for unless you are the holder of an aircraft station licence. Whether or not you have an operator’s certificate and/or pilot’s licence is actually of little consequence in this regard. However, as a result of representations made to ICASA’s Head Office liaison committee last week by members of the South African Radio League (SARL), which is the National representative body for Amateur Radio in the Republic, and considering that a further meeting between the two bodies is planned for later this week to attempt to reach finalization on the way forward, I would request your indulgence in awaiting the outcome of these meetings which will, hopefully, lead to much needed clarity regarding the situation. This information is already in the public domain and those pilots who may also be amateur operators can access the report in the news section on the SARL’s website, alternatively it is also available on the following website which is operated by the Southgate Amateur Radio Club in the UK
http://www.southgatearc.org
The actual link is
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/septem ... eeting.htm
To all other readers, you can hopefully appreciate it is difficult to cover every aspect of a particular topic without some degree of interaction from one’s audience, (if only to jog one’s memory!) so, if I have not addressed your particular query or concern, please communicate this to me via the forum or direct and I’ll respond with further details.
Best regards,
Peter
OK Chris here are my responses to your questions from last Tuesday but, before I get to them, there are a number of forms concerned which vary depending on what type of application you are submitting so I’ll identify the main ones before addressing your queries and thereafter refer to them by their short titles:
i) The Radiocommunication Licence Application form is a 4-page green-coloured document which we commonly refer to as the “Client Form” as it contains information relating only to the applicant such as name, ID number, residential and postal addresses, contact telephone numbers, next of kin details, etc., etc. The client form accompanies various different appendices for radio licences of all types, be they aeronautical, maritime ship station, ski-boat, CB radio, Farmer’s band, etc., etc. This form must be signed personally by the applicant if it is an application in respect of an individual, or by a duly appointed responsible officer if it is a company application, usually the CEO, MD, Director or Manager. The section for this signature is found at the bottom of the 4th page. Short title for this is “Client Form” as mentioned above.
ii) The Aircraft application appendix is entitled “Details of Aeronautical Fixed Station Licence”, which is a bit of a misnomer at first glance because I think a comma or oblique stroke (slash) was omitted between Aeronautical and Fixed, however, it is a 2-page yellow-coloured form which is used for aircraft station licence applications (on the first page), and aeronautical mobile or fixed ground station licence applications (on the second or reverse page). This form also has a section for applicant’s signature at the bottom of the 2nd page. I agree that it is a bit confusing to complete, especially for a mobile or ground station, and this is where assistance could be requested and freely given. Short title for this form is Appendix “C”.
iii) A newly introduced form which is contained in the new radio regulations, published in Government Gazette 34172 on 31st March 2011, is the form to be completed for any modifications or amendments to the details of an existing licence. This form, entitled “Application to Amend a Radio Frequency Spectrum Licence” is reasonably self-explanatory but there are one or two sections where the info required is not immediately obvious. Again assistance may be requested and will be freely given. Short title is Form “A”.
There are several other forms which may occasionally be relevant depending on circumstances, e.g. cancellation of an existing licence for some reason, change of name of the licence holder (usually only iro companies) change of address and so forth, but the above are the most commonly used so I’ll just stick to them for now.
What I usually tell people to whom I send these application forms is that the only thing I cannot complete for them is their signature, so if they are confused by any particular section or are not sure what info is actually required, leave those sections blank and we can always complete them over the telephone once the forms have been received in our office.
To now answer your queries:
1). The hand-held may be added to your existing aircraft station licence using Form “A”. The form is reasonably self-explanatory but obviously assistance can be provided if required. Details of the hand-held are limited to the make, model number and transmit output power only. The cost for the addition of the new radio to your licence is a one-time payment of R100.00. Apart from this, the additional radio has no effect on the annual licence fee which is currently R48.00 regardless of how many items of radio apparatus are installed on the aircraft, however, for every modification to your licence the R100.00 fee is payable so if you intend adding or replacing several items of apparatus it is wise to do them all at the same time under a single payment.
2). If you intend buying a hand-held and do not already have an aircraft station licence to which it may be added, you will need to apply for an Aeronautical Mobile Station licence using the same forms as for a regular application, i.e. the 4-page “Client Form”, which is completed exactly as it would be for any other aircraft station licence application, and the 2-page, yellow, Appendix C which only needs to be completed on the reverse side (at the bottom of which is the area for applicant’s signature, etc.). Normally an aircraft station licence application will be issued with the aircraft’s own DCA registration letters indicated as its radio callsign, however, for an aeronautical mobile station there are obviously no registration letters so you would use the registration letters of the aircraft you hire as the radio callsign. (It is assumed here that the aircraft in question would already have a radio licence issued in respect of the owner.) When submitting such an application it is necessary to attach a letter motivating the request for an aeronautical mobile station and indicating the reasons for requiring same. For example, pilots frequently involved in delivering different aircraft to their new owners, etc, are commonly issued with this type of licence as they normally prefer to use their own radios, to which they have become accustomed, and which they trust to work when required. The fees for this type of licence are the same as normal, i.e. R480.00 application fee and R48.00 per annum licence fee.
Note that the above scenarios are for communication between aircraft in flight or between aircraft and ground control stations whilst in flight or on landing or take-off, etc. The licences as issued do not permit you to operate the radio equipment whilst on the ground out of your aircraft, unless an emergency should arise, in which case one’s own discretion should be used according to circumstances. To operate legally from the ground using, for example, a hand-held radio as a ground control station at a microlight or model aircraft airfield, it would be necessary to obtain an aeronautical fixed station licence and the procedure and cost is similar to 2). above.
The foregoing, whilst covering the great majority of aeronautical licence applications, is not by any means totally comprehensive in respect of all occasions in which an aeronautical licence may or may not be approved and issued. For any applications which could be considered to be extra-ordinary the advice of ICASA’s Regional or Head offices should be obtained prior to submitting application forms. Note that application fees are NOT refundable should the application be refused for any reason.
Chris, with regard to your last two items, 3) and 4), I am going to defer a full response for the present, the reason being that these two items are variations on the same theme, which is possession and use of a receiver capable of monitoring the aeronautical bands. Currently both scenarios are problematic because of the type of receiver (scanning receiver) which would probably be used, which is extremely difficult to obtain approval for unless you are the holder of an aircraft station licence. Whether or not you have an operator’s certificate and/or pilot’s licence is actually of little consequence in this regard. However, as a result of representations made to ICASA’s Head Office liaison committee last week by members of the South African Radio League (SARL), which is the National representative body for Amateur Radio in the Republic, and considering that a further meeting between the two bodies is planned for later this week to attempt to reach finalization on the way forward, I would request your indulgence in awaiting the outcome of these meetings which will, hopefully, lead to much needed clarity regarding the situation. This information is already in the public domain and those pilots who may also be amateur operators can access the report in the news section on the SARL’s website, alternatively it is also available on the following website which is operated by the Southgate Amateur Radio Club in the UK
http://www.southgatearc.org
The actual link is
http://www.southgatearc.org/news/septem ... eeting.htm
To all other readers, you can hopefully appreciate it is difficult to cover every aspect of a particular topic without some degree of interaction from one’s audience, (if only to jog one’s memory!) so, if I have not addressed your particular query or concern, please communicate this to me via the forum or direct and I’ll respond with further details.
Best regards,
Peter
Re: Questions for Peter
Addendum to above:
Regarding completing the actual forms, I think it will only be Appendix C which presents any problems. When I have figured out how to post an example of this form on the forum I will do so, particularly with regard to the use of the second page for mobile or fixed station licences.
Ciao for now
Peter
Regarding completing the actual forms, I think it will only be Appendix C which presents any problems. When I have figured out how to post an example of this form on the forum I will do so, particularly with regard to the use of the second page for mobile or fixed station licences.
Ciao for now
Peter
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Re: Questions for Peter
Hi Peter
I am in the process of doing my PPL and I am interested in obtaining a hand-held radio as well. Would you recommend that I wait until I have my radio license before I look at buying a hand-held or how should I go about obtaining the station license for the hand-held?
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Damian
I am in the process of doing my PPL and I am interested in obtaining a hand-held radio as well. Would you recommend that I wait until I have my radio license before I look at buying a hand-held or how should I go about obtaining the station license for the hand-held?
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Damian
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Hi Damian,
I stand to be corrected on this, but my understanding is that you will need produce YOUR radiotelephony license (CAA), showing that you have passed the necessary tests and practicals, before you can purchase a handheld radio (or any other type, for that matter). Then, once purchased, you would need to obtain a ICASA license for the device itself.
Regards, John
I stand to be corrected on this, but my understanding is that you will need produce YOUR radiotelephony license (CAA), showing that you have passed the necessary tests and practicals, before you can purchase a handheld radio (or any other type, for that matter). Then, once purchased, you would need to obtain a ICASA license for the device itself.
Regards, John
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Hi Brodon,
Before going into detail regarding the application, can you first tell me whether or not you have your own aircraft
(or are perhaps intending to purchase one) as that will determine what type of application you should submit.
Before going into detail regarding the application, can you first tell me whether or not you have your own aircraft
(or are perhaps intending to purchase one) as that will determine what type of application you should submit.